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Old 07-28-2009, 04:22 PM
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Default Qin Wall in Inner Mongolia (Location 1)

This section is well known since it is sited at a main road and has artwork ;-) and a rebuilt section here.

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The rebuilt section is about one kilometer in length and difficult to scale because of lose stacked layers.
Even walking on top gives a very unsafe feeling, one always fears to push the stones down.

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The view down from the wall (to the south) is breathtaking:

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To the other (north) side it is difficult to believe that a cavallry army even could get here:

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After going down in the first valley the unrestored wall begins:

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From here it is beautiful and the stones are packed in a solid way wich still after more than 2200 years makes it easy to get onto and to walk on top.

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Some parts are crumbling down but are still of pretty good visibility:

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At some sections the wall is still about 3-4 meters high:

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The wall is typical Qin Wall: Not running along the ridge or down at the base of the mountain but some 20 meters below the ridge with beacon
towers on the inner side at points of highest elevation.
Striking is the lack of much debris down the slope. Also striking is that the wall is between 0.5-1.5 meters in width wich leads to the question
wether it had been used by defenders standing on it or even behind (!). We did not find any sign of battelment or parapet.
I don't accept that the defenders stood on top of a wall without such an easy to build and effective protection
(the attackers were of the best archers in that days), wich would also have enhanced the defensive character in the eyes of an attacker.
This we will have to check at our next visit to this wall.


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Old 07-29-2009, 07:08 AM
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The Qin Wall shows typical patterns but it is obvious very much different from Location 1. The wall here is build of earth (due to the lack of enough big stones around) with collected stones from the surroundings put into (or maybe onto, due to the state of detoriation this could not be clearified by us).

Robert and me left the taxi on the road and walked this section (about 30 km). We started in the late evening with one hour of walking light left. But we fortunately found the wall in time before we settled in our sleeping bags, discussing under the lights of a bright moon and the stars.

This shows how we saw the wall (photo taken right before sunrise on the next morning):

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Good to see the accumulation of bigger stones on the wall:

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A beacon tower in the fore- and in the background and the wall running down the steep hillside:

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The wall shows a clear double structure on this section, the inner wall beeing the lower (!) one:

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An "oven-style" beacon tower with a probable fortress in the background. Didn't see that when walking along ...

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A view to the enemy side:

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Some of the becon towers show (probably all had) an elevated platform surrounding which obviously had a crenellation made of stones surrounding it:

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A cross section (for whatever use) through the wall:

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Roberts walking stick (length: 125 cm) serves as a measure. The earthen wall here is exact 2,5 m high and about 25 m (measured by steps) broad. No double section to be seen here, probably due to detoriation:

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A distant beacon tower on the inner side and down the hills (!):

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Two smaller fortresses and a beacon tower before the descend:

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Really incredible landscape in Inner Mongolia and fantastic pictures from this area. Thank you for sharing your great trip to this area
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These are really wonder photos. Such a beautiful place.
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Very nice!!!
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很好
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It is truely amazing that those stacks of stones have endured time. May they endure another 2,000 years. The landscape is beautiful.
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The Qin Wall stands very high, at some points, as high as 6-8 metres and
2-4 metres wide.Ode to the builders at the time because after 2000 years,
the wallstill stands and in many places in a very rigid and strong state.
The restored section material takes the form of slate stones while
the unrestored section has bigger cicurlar stones. It is also likely
that the Qin builders "sliced" the stones to make the wall vertically
upwards. The photographs show how "neat" and "vertical" the stones
are "packed".The workmanship and skill are highly envied.
Qin builders really put a shame to modern day cowboy job builders.
In response to Chinoook's questions, it seems that there were in fact
no parapets. It is highly unlikely that Qin soldiers stood on top of
the wall. There were no signs of any towers. The wall was built at the
ridge or edge of the mountain so it was quite "flat" to walk on the
Chinese side whilst on the enemy side, it was more of an ascent angle.
I assume that this wall served more for the purpose of defining
a border rather than for defence purposes.
Again, it is incredible to see that wall. As chinoook mentions, this area
is a well-known tourist place and charges CNY25 for entrance fee.
You either can walk around 3-5km to reach the wall; there is a road
path you can take to reach the wall. There are signs to show you.
I reached the valley. You either turn left walk along the path or
take the specially built steps to begin your ascent or you turn right
to ascend the unrestored section. I turned right and climbed towards
the unrestored section.
Credit must be given to Chinoook and Bryan

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