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    An article here in China's China Daily newspaper appeared regarding William Lindesay's recent expedition to locate Genghis Khan's Wall. Below are the links:-

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/life/20...t_14788959.htm

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/life/20...t_14788955.htm

  • #2
    Re: Finding Genghis Khan's Wall

    This is about the most stunning article about the Great Walls of the last years.

    Many questions remain:

    Was the "Great Wall of Genghis Khan" a rebuilt Han Wall or was it totally Xi Xia (or someone else)?
    What evidence do we have about two Han Walls in the deserts of Mongolia?
    How long was it in use?
    Why does no historical source tell us about it?
    How old are other walls, formerly regarded to be Han?
    Why doesn't Sir Lindesay talk to us and use our knowledge there? It would bring him (and us) a lot further.


    -chinoook

    PS: This article showed me how lazy I was not to take organic material from the walls I know and (about) no one else. I started to contact some commercial labs as well as universities for getting my future samples analysed.
    chinoook's 1st law: Structurally weak walls tend to have double structures.
    chinoook's 2nd law: Newer walls are built next older walls, not over them.
    chinoook's 3rd law: Similar problems lead to similar solutions.

    The most dangerous worldview is the worldview of people, who have not viewed the world. (Alexander von Humboldt (1769-1859), German naturalist and explorer)

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    • #3
      Re: Finding Genghis Khan's Wall

      Another article:-

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...#disqus_thread

      Chinoook, it seems that our map files already shows this Wall as Han. Judging by the location, it seems to be a continuation of the Han Wall from Jiuquan.
      Last edited by Ken; 03-10-2012, 04:00 PM. Reason: add more information

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      • #4
        Re: Finding Genghis Khan's Wall

        The interpretation as a barrier for Gazelle migration is ridiculous.

        Important, but not stated, is the fact that this wall shows no beacon towers at all.

        Even more important would be to understand whether this wall was built by the Han and later reused (not very probable) or at whole later work.

        I will try to get samples of wood (or other organic Material) of both the inner and the outer wall this year. I already have contact to labs who do the C-14 age dating. The costs are about 200 - 300 EUR (250-380 USD), which is not too much. But I will try to find cooperation with (German) universities, maybe I can also find sponsors. Does any one of you have an idea whom we could find for raising some funds? Not that much needed, but I don't want to pay all the expenses for work which is helpful for so many people and researchers.


        -chinoook
        Last edited by chinoook; 03-12-2012, 03:33 PM.
        chinoook's 1st law: Structurally weak walls tend to have double structures.
        chinoook's 2nd law: Newer walls are built next older walls, not over them.
        chinoook's 3rd law: Similar problems lead to similar solutions.

        The most dangerous worldview is the worldview of people, who have not viewed the world. (Alexander von Humboldt (1769-1859), German naturalist and explorer)

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        • #5
          Re: Finding Genghis Khan's Wall

          An article on the online page of a German newspaper. The seem to have talked to Mr. Lindesay directly.
          If anyone feels the need I can translate.


          -chinoook
          chinoook's 1st law: Structurally weak walls tend to have double structures.
          chinoook's 2nd law: Newer walls are built next older walls, not over them.
          chinoook's 3rd law: Similar problems lead to similar solutions.

          The most dangerous worldview is the worldview of people, who have not viewed the world. (Alexander von Humboldt (1769-1859), German naturalist and explorer)

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          • #6
            Re: Finding Genghis Khan's Wall

            I have been reading “The Great Wall" by John Man. He also visited this part of the wall. John Man argues that "Could it be that the Gobi ridge wall is part of the northern border wall as defined by the Han about AD150 after the Xiongnu had gone,when there was no point in building defences?"
            This makes some sense as there are no beacon towers along this wall which may be explained that this may be a wall to demarcate borders rather than a defensive wall. In any case, there are the outer and inner Han Walls in Inner Mongolia which were for defensive purposes given the fortresses and towers prevalent near to these two walls.

            This arguement can also be made for the Qin Wall in Baotou. This wall has either no parapets or beacon towers. Could this be also be a border wall?

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            • #7
              Re: Finding Genghis Khan's Wall

              [QUOTE=Ken;14659]I have been reading
              chinoook's 1st law: Structurally weak walls tend to have double structures.
              chinoook's 2nd law: Newer walls are built next older walls, not over them.
              chinoook's 3rd law: Similar problems lead to similar solutions.

              The most dangerous worldview is the worldview of people, who have not viewed the world. (Alexander von Humboldt (1769-1859), German naturalist and explorer)

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              • #8
                Re: Finding Genghis Khan's Wall

                This is strange. I visited the Qin Wall in Baotou last year before our rendez-vous and I could not see any towers or fortresses
                As for the Outer and Inner Han Walls, we know already this is a fortified wall.

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                • #9
                  Re: Finding Genghis Khan's Wall

                  For anyone that is interested and who is in China, there is a 26 page article about this in this months National Geographic magazine, in Chinese though

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                  • #10
                    Re: Finding Genghis Khan's Wall

                    Originally posted by PWCCA View Post
                    For anyone that is interested and who is in China, there is a 26 page article about this in this months National Geographic magazine, in Chinese though
                    [x] more than highly interested.


                    -chinoook
                    chinoook's 1st law: Structurally weak walls tend to have double structures.
                    chinoook's 2nd law: Newer walls are built next older walls, not over them.
                    chinoook's 3rd law: Similar problems lead to similar solutions.

                    The most dangerous worldview is the worldview of people, who have not viewed the world. (Alexander von Humboldt (1769-1859), German naturalist and explorer)

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                    • #11
                      Re: Finding Genghis Khan's Wall

                      http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...ence-lindesay/

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                      • #12
                        Re: Finding Genghis Khan's Wall

                        Apparently, William Lindesay made a presentation tonight in Beijing about this Wall.
                        Last edited by Ken; 03-22-2012, 04:02 PM.

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