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  • 70% of Hebei Great Wall at risk due to illegal mining operations.

    The story hit many Chinese news agencies today about how illegal mining in most of the areas around the Hebei Great Wall has caused a lot of damage and has put a very large percentage of it at risk of further damage. I have not yet been able to find details of this on an English language website yet, but it is pretty prominent in the Chinese news. Its rather worrying indeed. Here are the links if anyone here wants to do a translation/summary as my Chinese translation skills are not too great

    http://house.people.com.cn/GB/15890198.html

    http://news.cn.yahoo.com/ypen/20111013/635812.html

    http://www.baoannet.com/content/2011...nt_6140627.htm

    The story in English, but a terrible Google translation I would expect
    http://www.3abc.net/?p=17332

    Has anyone else heard about this?

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    Re: 70% of Hebei Great Wall at risk due to illegal mining operations.

    The news seems to be focusing on Laiyuan County and not Hebei as a whole - but still very bad news.

    http://europe.chinadaily.com.cn/chin...t_13888120.htm

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    • #3
      Re: 70% of Hebei Great Wall at risk due to illegal mining operations.

      A thread of “ If someone shows of hands to help Liujiakou gate?” in chinese forum was posted recently, Lulong county in Heibei east is another area needed to be focusing .

      They concerned the frequent shock wave of dynamite created by nearby mining might cause the tower at liujiakou gate collapes someday.

      http://www.thegreatwall.com.cn/phpbb...3319&forumid=1





      Last edited by andarchen; 10-13-2011, 09:34 PM.

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      • #4
        Re: 70% of Hebei Great Wall at risk due to illegal mining operations.

        This is not surprising. I have seen this so often from Gansu to Ningxia, especially eastern Ningxia.In western Ningxia, the military actually uses land near the Qin/Ming Great Wall for artillery practices

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        • #5
          Re: 70% of Hebei Great Wall at risk due to illegal mining operations.

          This is not only a Hebei problem. Along about all Shanxi Mountains there is heavy mining ongoing (locals told us it is iron mining, I have some doubts about that, maybe rare earthes). We have seen about 100 mines along the GW. In most cases the GW runs too high to be affected or too far in front of the mountain range to be affected. We did not see any direct damage to the GW but of course the destruction of the beautiful landscape of the Shanxi terraced landscape. Will show some photos later here.

          I don't expect much damage to GW towers by blasting. The towers have survived so many severe earthquakes (most of the cracks we see in towers like the Liujiakou one are made by earthquakes) that the effect of mining can be disregarded.


          -chinoook
          Last edited by chinoook; 10-14-2011, 05:20 AM.
          chinoook's 1st law: Structurally weak walls tend to have double structures.
          chinoook's 2nd law: Newer walls are built next older walls, not over them.
          chinoook's 3rd law: Similar problems lead to similar solutions.

          The most dangerous worldview is the worldview of people, who have not viewed the world. (Alexander von Humboldt (1769-1859), German naturalist and explorer)

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          • #6
            Re: 70% of Hebei Great Wall at risk due to illegal mining operations.

            [QUOTE=andarchen;14000]A thread of

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            • #7
              Re: 70% of Hebei Great Wall at risk due to illegal mining operations.

              More sad news from the same area:

              Part of Great Wall collapses amid mining
              SHIJIAZHUANG - Unregulated mining has caused part of China's ancient Great Wall to collapse, sounding an alarm for protecting one of the country's signature relics as well as a UNESCO World Cultural Heritage site.
              The damaged portion of the Great Wall is located in a remote area near the county of Laiyuan in Hebei Province, about 200 kilometers southwest of Beijing. The area is home to a dozen small mines, with some operating as close as 100 meters to the centuries-old wall.
              Villagers and local cultural heritage protection officials told Xinhua that about 700 meters of the wall, which was built during the reign of Emperor Wanli during the Ming Dynasty (1573-1620), had already collapsed, and more walls and even towers are likely to collapse if the mining continues unchecked.
              "This section of the wall is considered 'the crust of the cream' of the Ming Dynasty Great Wall. It is really a pity," said Guo Jianyong, a senior engineer with the provincial Ancient Architecture Studies Institute.
              Construction of the first Great Wall dates back to the Warring States Period (475-221 BC) and, over subsequent centuries, walls were built in scattered, but strategic areas to defend against the invasions of northern nomadic tribes, historical data show.
              Today, remnants of the Great Wall, mostly built during the Ming Dynasty, stretch over 6,700 kilometers from west to northeast China, spanning the provinces and regions of Hebei, Tianjin, Beijing, Shanxi, Inner Mongolia, Shaanxi, Ningxia, and Gansu.
              Damage to the Great Wall by mining had previously been reported in recent years in Inner Mongolia, China's main coal reserve region, but the Hebei case suggests the problem might be common across all regions, experts say.
              In Hebei, about 20 percent of the walls and towers can be rated "well or fairly preserved," while more than 70 percent have cracks, stand on shaky ground, or are about to collapse, provincial cultural protection officials said.
              Zhou Jinjun, a deputy head of Laiyuan's land resources bureau, said the area where the ancient walls stand in Laiyuan has rich reserves of copper, iron, and nickel. Driven by profits, small mines proliferated despite the government ban.
              A part of the Great Wall in Hebei's Chongli County was even demolished by a mining company to make way for road construction.
              Zhou said law enforcement officials have found it difficult to completely stamp out small mines as mine bosses are armed with advanced communication equipment, helping them dodge law enforcement.
              The State Council enacted a regulation to protect the Great Wall in 2006, banning people from taking soil or bricks from the wall, planting trees, carving on the wall or building anything that does not protect it. But experts and cultural heritage officials said the bans are poorly enforced in remote regions.
              Guo said miners in Laiyuan did not knock down the walls, but mining at such a close range to the walls poses more serious threats.
              "We don't know how much of the underground area near the walls has become hollow. The impact to the walls is unpredictable," he said.
              Guo said the cultural heritage bureau tasked to enforce the protection rules are low on funds, and short of enough employees and equipment to conduct effective monitoring of irregularities on and around the Great Wall.
              In Laiyuan, the Great Wall stretches 123 kilometers, but the county only has an enforcement team of seven. Most of the 40 counties where the Great Wall stands in Hebei face the same problem, Guo said, adding that regulation enforcers in some counties are only able to conduct an inspection tour once a year.
              http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...t_13934469.htm

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              • #8
                Re: 70% of Hebei Great Wall at risk due to illegal mining operations.

                This country is so f***ed up! A country where its people are not proud of
                its culture; does not protect its history can never been a so called superpower. You can send people into space; hold Olympics; EXPO; Asian Games; world's largest this and that but 18 passers-by that could not even help an injured 2 yeard old, this is the REAL China.

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                • #9
                  Re: 70% of Hebei Great Wall at risk due to illegal mining operations.

                  Originally posted by PeterLee View Post
                  This country is so f***ed up! A country where its people are not proud of
                  its culture; does not protect its history can never been a so called superpower. You can send people into space; hold Olympics; EXPO; Asian Games; world's largest this and that but 18 passers-by that could not even help an injured 2 yeard old, this is the REAL China.
                  You can accuse the Chinese of a lot of things, but accusing them of not being proud of their culture is outrageous. If I have learned anything by living in China it would be that Chinese are indeed very proud of their culture - they might not be proud of the political system, but they are very proud of their culture and country.

                  I have been told many times not to help people in distress, and knowing that it could potentially ruin a person or whole family financially I can understand this way of thinking. But to judge a whole nation by the action of 18 people is not fair. The outcry on the internet at least show that not all Chinese think it was appropriate to ignore the toddler.

                  Of cause for the media it is much more interesting to cover stories of people not helping a small injured child, than to write about someone actually getting help and appreciating the help they got. In the same way it is much more interesting to write stories about some section of the Great Wall being damaged than to write about some local farmer passionated about protecting the wall.
                  Last edited by Kim; 10-23-2011, 08:06 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Re: 70% of Hebei Great Wall at risk due to illegal mining operations.

                    Kim, Kim, Kim. You are Danish and a white caucasian. You are treated differently than if you have yellow skin. How people treat you;deal with you; your "world" in China is completely different due to the colour of your skin and your ethnicity. Although you have lived in China for many years, you seem to fail to understand what makes this country "tick".
                    I don't argue with you and respect your opinions but I can truly say I know this country does not give a s**t about its history;culture;relics etc.

                    And to judge 18 people? why not ? 18 people is a good sample size to reflect
                    this oh Strong country !

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                    • #11
                      Re: 70% of Hebei Great Wall at risk due to illegal mining operations.

                      Originally posted by PeterLee View Post
                      Kim, Kim, Kim. You are Danish and a white caucasian. You are treated differently than if you have yellow skin. How people treat you;deal with you; your "world" in China is completely different due to the colour of your skin and your ethnicity. Although you have lived in China for many years, you seem to fail to understand what makes this country "tick".
                      I don't argue with you and respect your opinions but I can truly say I know this country does not give a s**t about its history;culture;relics etc.

                      And to judge 18 people? why not ? 18 people is a good sample size to reflect
                      this oh Strong country !
                      18 people out of 1.3 billion can hardly be called a good sample size - and calming so just don't make any sense, just like saying that because I'm one out of thousands of Caucasian that live or lived in China I don't know anything about China. Sorry, but since you don't know anything about my stay in China it seems unfair to speculate on what I know and don't know about China.
                      Last edited by Kim; 10-23-2011, 11:09 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Re: 70% of Hebei Great Wall at risk due to illegal mining operations.

                        Originally posted by PeterLee View Post
                        This country is [...]
                        This forum and this thread are about the Great Wall of China. They are not intended for political debates. Please stay on topic. Thank you.

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                        • #13
                          Re: 70% of Hebei Great Wall at risk due to illegal mining operations.

                          Originally posted by Michael View Post
                          This forum and this thread are about the Great Wall of China. They are not intended for political debates. Please stay on topic. Thank you.
                          How can it be possible to discuss the problems involved in preserving and protecting the Great Wall without making it a political debate involving different ways of thinking?

                          It is not possible to understand why the Great Wall is disappearing without understanding how Chinese people relates to their own culture and history.

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                          • #14
                            Re: 70% of Hebei Great Wall at risk due to illegal mining operations.

                            I agree, this discussion was interesting and valuable with very good points of view. I understand the will that there should be no real political discussion here but it _must_ be possible to discuss these issues. They are much more GW related than pretty much of the main discussions here.

                            I would appreciate if administrative control would not affect some of the most important points here.
                            We will have to go quite further: What can we do but to report these incredible destructions and how should we adress it. Everthing related to this should be a part of this forum. I would even very much appreciate if we had a special area to discuss these things. There is a lot to come.


                            -chinoook
                            Last edited by chinoook; 10-23-2011, 04:44 PM.
                            chinoook's 1st law: Structurally weak walls tend to have double structures.
                            chinoook's 2nd law: Newer walls are built next older walls, not over them.
                            chinoook's 3rd law: Similar problems lead to similar solutions.

                            The most dangerous worldview is the worldview of people, who have not viewed the world. (Alexander von Humboldt (1769-1859), German naturalist and explorer)

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                            • #15
                              Re: 70% of Hebei Great Wall at risk due to illegal mining operations.

                              I think the role of the moderator should be to delete posts that are clearly spam and otherwise remind users not too become too personal and refrain from any unethical remarks.

                              It should not be to decide what is GW related and what is not - I think the users of this forum knows that better. And also not delete any non-spam post without warning

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